Softwares and Tech for Alternative Economy

  • Softwares and Tech for Alternative Economy

    Posted by Nicole on November 20, 2023 at 2:10 pm

    Share tech and platforms that help create alternative economy in regenerative neighborhoods

    Jacob replied 4 months, 1 week ago 3 Members · 9 Replies
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  • Nicole

    Member
    November 20, 2023 at 2:15 pm

    “Ah so exciting to hear about. $Hugs 🌈 🤗 I like the name/ticker (hope it doesn’t scare people off that I do like it 🤣🤷👀).

    Can’t wait to hear how it works/how it might be enhance-ing/able to the RNM. 💡🌱💡🌱💡🌱

    Been reading up much & sifting through concepts of Mutual Credit, Complementary Currencies, Time Banking, Direct/Indirect Barter, ‘UBI’ 💬🤔…

    https://aboutcircles.com/t/circles-ip-2-dual-money-system-resolving-the-credit-commodity-money-question-in-circlesubi/443

    https://dework.xyz/

    https://www.holochain.org/

    https://celo.org/

    Migrated from the Regen Tribe discord 🙂

    • Jacob

      Member
      November 20, 2023 at 4:10 pm

      So many good options to explore. And I imagine many of them will be the right choice for different communities. I wish it were easier to move to a “me today, you tomorrow” economy built on trust and love. But getting buy-in on that model at scale is really difficult, as we’re all quite used to having money bridge the trust gap.

      • Deleted User

        Member
        November 20, 2023 at 9:56 pm

        Are you referring to direct barter & IOUs?<div>

        It wouldn’t work because of Time… And the ledger that records the IOUs essentially makes the IOUs a form of money that can be traded with someone else in the network who offers what is needed (or wanted).

        It’s not a software or model issue, just ideological feasibility. I imagine it’d be an accounting nightmare and the founding members would be a mix of under/over-resourced and it would be a mayhem of power imbalances and unmet needs. 😆 Pffft… Humans. 😆

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        • Jacob

          Member
          November 21, 2023 at 9:57 am

          Sort of. What I dream of is even simpler than barter and IOUs. There is no record keeping in a “me today, you tomorrow” system. Possibly also called a Gift Economy? The community freely exchanges goods and services to make sure everyone in the community is cared for.

          For example, say the chicken farmer hurts their arm while working on an improvement to the chicken coop. The massage therapist and herbalist work together to mend their arm because they care about not only the person in their community, but the eggs and chicken that freely flow into the community from the work they do.

          But yes, as much as I wish it could be that simple, it starts to fall apart at scale. You get “free loaders” who don’t contribute their share, and luxury goods / higher order services can go unrecognized. And then there’s the fact that a single community in which that Gift Economy could be established will never truly be self-sufficient, so you’ll need some way to also exchange outside of that economy anyways.

          Yeah… humans make it tricky. I suppose there’s a reason we developed currency. 😅

          • Deleted User

            Member
            November 21, 2023 at 10:42 am

            lol. sounds like what you dream of is a world where quantifications of the mind don’t really exist & everything moves through wormholes!!! haha.

            but i was like that too. lmao. then very hard times hit and it was like “ok i’m on my own – do or die” X-D

            yeah ‘gifting economy’ sounds about right… and your description of ‘higher order etc. going unrecognized & unrewarded’.

          • Deleted User

            Member
            December 29, 2023 at 9:34 am

            Lol, then there can only ever be 1 chicken farmer, or the community has to go vegan/obtain eggs from elsewhere.

            It can work, I suppose… on a very small scale 🙂 The thing is how to account for people’s skills… they’d have to be confined/obligated to BE in a provider ROLE that’s SPECIFICALLY FRAMED for that particular community… and commit to be like that for however long their tenure is!

            • Jacob

              Member
              January 5, 2024 at 4:15 pm

              Yup, it doesn’t hold up to the scale of our modern society and our expectations for the quality of life.

              There will always be some of this “you today, me tomorrow” gift economy happening between friends and family. But for designing an entire Regenerative Neighborhood, we need more robust systems that balance trust, responsibility, and productivity.

              I’m hoping there can be something *like* Crypto-currency that doesn’t take such high tech and energy usage. Maybe something built on HoloChain?

            • Deleted User

              Member
              January 5, 2024 at 9:44 pm

              <div>This is rather (very) ‘high tech’ that’s built mostly on Holochain https://neighbourhoods.network/</div><div&gt;

              Lower (lower!! I don’t know about the claims, but definitely not like Ethereum) energy consumption might be any of the other blockchain relatives eg. ZIL, Telos/EOSIO etc.

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              I’m just fleshing out databases using Airtable. Keeping it simple.

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            • Jacob

              Member
              January 8, 2024 at 9:19 am

              Cool, thanks! It looks promising!

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